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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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Non-physical things don't exist. Or at least there are no good reasons to think they do exist.

Prove that a soul exists. You can't.
Prove that God exists. You can't.
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>>16556871
>There's zero reason to think God exists.
Only arguments that have nothing to do with a supposed contract with foreskins as consideration or kikes on sticks. The theists shove things like that in after they've made logical arguments only go so far as deism.
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>>16556940
"Supernatural" means "beyond the natural" and is by definition scientifically inexplicable.

Interestingly much of the supernatural beings (ghosts, jinn, demons, spirits etc.) are traditionally understood as being deliberately deceptive to humans.
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>>16552706
Rutherford experiment. You can shoot positively charged particles on a very thin gold foil and infer from the trajectory of these particles that there must be space between the electrons and the nucleus. You can read up on the technical details in any introductory book of classical mechanics.
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>>16552741
If it existed, it would be physical by definition. So far it's only a hypothetical, just like the aether in 19th century. Might be that future theory -which doesn't feature "dark matter" as we understand it today can explain the affects usually attributed to it.
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>>16556971
I think he means the orbital rings are not lines with particles, and is referring to quantum mechanics having a rather cloudy idea of what an electron even is, not the space between the orbitals and the nucleus.

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>conquers half the known world
>uses absolutely none of that wealth to improve their homeland
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Their homeland produced a people who conquered everything they could reach
What would they have to change, and why?
Why would they want to become like their victims?
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>>16556330
Least retarded Paganigger
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>>16556410
Is this why russia and MENA is terminally doomed
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>>16556217
>he thinks wealth is evenly distributed
>he thinks it’s a matter of being next to the resources, not about the ingenuity to harvest them
>he thinks all cultures uniformly aim to improve their society with wealth
>he thinks the size of a province is a feat in and of itself, but doesn’t consider the amount of people in these regions and just how underdeveloped they were (most of this land was inhospitable mountains, deserts, and steppes)
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>>16556217
You could say the same about Aleander's Maedonian empires.

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If the Brahmin and Kshatriya Indians descend from the Andronovo/Sintashta people, and are prohibited to caste and race mix, then why are ALL modern Indians, even the Brahmins and Kshatriyas, poo-brown?
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>>16556981
they didn't hold the taboo against race mixing so their civilization crumbled

>the universe came out of nothing
>we're evolved from ape like creatures and androgynous fish
>talking donkies and snakes? aren't you tired listening to silly skyfairy myths?
the independent freethinker ladies and gentlemen.
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>>16556906
>which doesn't make much sense
Why doesn't it make sense and how would you determine that using a human's inability to comprehend the actions of an omniscient being? Animals can't make sense of what we build and the reasons for it too you know?
>Do I?
Yes and your opinion is completely irrelevant. Now where is the evidence?
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>>16556921
>Why doesn't it make sense
Because a clear motivation for such an action is absent. Why create so many species with only minor variations? Why create so many species with major variations?

>Yes
Why? Do you have evidence that this universe was created?
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>>16556898
>Nowhere was it implied that all life shared a common ancestor in that sentence.
sorry, I didn't realize you were homeschooled
analogy does not necessitate homology, common origin does, imagine a v8 and an in-line 4, analogous function, no homology
>inb4 hairsplitting and crying
>It was mocking your faulty logic.
no fault detected
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>>16556757
>There are no intermediate species in the fossil record.
You’re displaying it throughout this post but that’s the most succinct example of you fundamentally not understanding the concept of evolution. Every species that isn’t the last of its evolutionary branch is by definition in transition between species.
We are watching speciation happen and it does happen especially with organisms with short lifespans and faster reproductive cycles, that’s how it works.
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>>16549450
Nigga that post is NUTS!!!

How come Eastern Baltic (Baltic States and surrounding areas) have a lot of N1c haplo ancestry (~405%), but barely any Siberian autosomal ancestry? Did N1c carriers basically slowly migrated all the way from Siberia to the Baltic and over many generations mixed the Siberian ancestry out?

I'm also not quite sure which migrations were these.
Anyone have good info on this topic?
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I've read the entry for Kama culture and one theory is they're related to Dnieper-Donetsk people, which would mean not Siberian already? Just EHGs already.
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>>16556876
Related how? Maybe they have some of the EHG from there, but also some Siberian that carried N1c. Then Siberian got diluted to a few percent but the N1c survived.
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Saars, we are having a field day in this thread talking about European genetics and breeding
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>>16556852
Basically this.
At least across the pond in Finland mtDNA is European, there is significant I1 male population but majority is N1.
They came from the East and raped their way all the way to the Baltic sea.
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>>16556852
>>16556964
I'd say they mixed with EHG women somewhere in European Russian, and then mixed some more along to way to Estonia and basically mixed the Siberian ancestry out of themselves along the way with more EHG and eventually with Baltic HG (WHG + EHG mix). Considering that Estonians have even more Caucasus in them, for comparison, than Siberia.
It's just more weird that the haplogroup itself is very common, despite the autosomal situation being different.
I guess it's also in part because these people mixing were still mostly hunter gathers, if I'm not wrong.

How is it possible for people to believe in communism?
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>>16556854
>you HAVE TO kill 60 million people in order to stop being poor
are you perchance a brown thirdy?
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>>16556962
China is based and Natsoc which is why Soros hates them. I was talking about his donations to american "progressive" left groups
>>Why are millionaire lawyers bailing leftist agitators out of jail
>this doesn't happen
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/us/bail-reform-bail-charities-invs/index.html
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/kamala-harris-tweeted-support-bail-fund-money-didnt-just-assist-protestors/
>>Why do megacorporations instantly ban right wing ideas but allow left wing ones free movement on their platforms?
>are you writing a fiction book?
lol, make some posts on a large subreddit defending fascism and see how long that lasts, meanwhile there are literal subreddits like socialism101 that are allowed to still exist and spread their ideoloogy
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>>16556952
>Be even poorer than before
this is incorrect by all metrics, you are extremely uneducated

>>16556956
what kind of logic is this? are you jewish? "look how attractive porn is... your race is losing to this degeneracy? how is it the jews fault"
dumb fuck

>>16556959
its an archived introduction to Sigismund Borkheim's pamphlet, what isn't reputable about this? its like going into a library, grabbing a book and saying "this book doesn't exist!"

>>16556966
>60000 gorgillion died!
why do your people love faking statistics? add another 0 while you're at it
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>>16556972
american "progressive" left groups aren't leftists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism
china is leftist, not those social fascist degenerates
type the word "communism" into reddit and you will only see negative posts, you live under a rock
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>>16556974
>what kind of logic is this? are you jewish? "look how attractive porn is... your race is losing to this degeneracy? how is it the jews fault"
Not everyone who opposes commiefaggotry is a nazi, I am pro-porn, so yes, this is that kind of logic
>its an archived introduction to Sigismund Borkheim's pamphlet
so not Marx's own words and predictions?

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historically speaking, how come Americans don't have their own culture?
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>>16556772
We must retvrn
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They do.
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I would say that old WASP culture was very American.
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>>16556216
Americans aren't human
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>>16556953
Nope we are pure burger

Sucks living here. I curse my Swedish ancestors every day.

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Why do Anglxs believe that they saved europe during WWII? The claim is already ridiculous for the first war, but wasn't Britain's performance during WWII a massive trainwreck?
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>>16555366
>Why do Anglxs believe that they saved europe during WWII?
Because admitting that they were a jewish lapdog used to protect their interests is way harder.
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>>16555972
>Listening to British servicemen during WW2 means your Indian
Weird cope but ok
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>>16555469
>Zoomer Historian
I knew it lol
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>>16556114
One of the only based content creators on YouTube.

Asha Logos is another rare example.
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>>16555366
>The claim is already ridiculous for the first war, but wasn't Britain's performance during WWII a massive trainwreck?
early war not great, although they did well to salvage what they did from the collapse of france, desert campaign ended in victory, thereafter contributions limited by manpower but on a per unit basis were at least as effective as US forces.

>>16555886
>But Britain was a their worst when under the command of Montgomery, who was a total moron and probably one of the worst generals of the war.

Better than Patton or Bradley, his worst 'failure' was Market Garden and even then it had a bunch of other shit go wrong to mae it fail, intelligence missing the 2 panr divisions on the drop zone andd generally failing to correctly assess the force on the dropzone, the americans abject failure to capture their bridge at Nijmegan. He did well in Normandy and in the campaign across the lowcountries and to the rhine. And saved the americans in the bulge.

>Completely fumbled up the Normandy Campaign.
largest amphibious operation in history, complete success, breaks german position, falaise gap might not have been fully closed but not his fault, he intended to close it further east at the Seine but was ordered to try and close it earlier by eisenhower

Why is modern politics, philsophy and etichs based on emotions instesd of logic?
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Always has been
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Belief is stronger than fact.

Historical photos that go hard
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>>16556475
Traitor
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Post grandpa
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So, were they like citiy states like greeks or sumerians or a confederation like Etruscans?
You can aparently see other tepes from Karahan, so they seemed to be connected because they were reachable by land, and visible from some of them, so what were they?
City states?
Confederation?
Something else?
What kind of relationship did they possibly had?
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>>16556887
Wait, that's suspicious.
The buildings look similar.
????
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>>16556914
That's just an artistic reconstruction.
No one knows how they actually looked like.
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>>16556934
>just an artistic reconstruction, bro.
Sure,liar.
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>>16556938
This does not look like Çatalhöyük.
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>>16556938
Besides, they are not even that close to each other.
Thry are 2 literal worls apart.
One is on the fertile crescent while the other is not.

>>16551008
>God makes sure goodness is always increasing so the universe is going to get better and better, there will be more good and less bad as time goes on - and that will always be true!
Ok, God is the one that makes sure goodness is always increasing. But aren't we humans the ones that actually >do< the increase in the amount of goodness? So shouldn't we thank humans for it instead of thanking God, since God only interferes minimally?
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>>16554560
I mean, we could thank God too, but the majority of the credit wouldn't be for God. That's because the majority of the work would be done by humans, not God. So if say you are still alive that's because people (including yourself) took care of you. If you have what to eat, that's because someone and/or you obtained it. Etc. God is there as a mere maintainer of the increase of goodness. And God would only have credit when it acted (telling prophets first, as you said).
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>>16554560
Also, about the Second Law of Thermodynamics, isn't it contradictory to the idea that goodness is increasing? It seems that the universe is getting more chaotic and goodness is decreasing, no?

And since its invention was an act of God, what prophet did God tell about it?
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>>16555369
>we could thank God too, but the majority of the credit wouldn't be for God
That seems like incredibly strange reasoning to me. Like if I got you a new Bugatti and you started thanking yourself for it since you're the one who pumps the gas into it.

A human does the vast vast minority of the work for anything. If they make you something, they just arranged matter that God made (spending a few thousand calories at most in comparison to the untold billions of calories of energy present in matter). They did it using energy that ultimately comes from the sun that God gifted them and the ground God made for them. Breathing air that God designed from plants that He invented.

And it goes much beyond that if we look at /his/tory. Nearly everything we have in modern society that's beyond what they had in the BC era is because God physically came and spent 30 years physically working as a man to lay the foundations for his Kingdom.

Let's look at one of the best things in your life, the thing nearly everyone from a janitor to a CEO treasures: the weekend! We have weekends because God founded Christendom. Unless Christianity had come, this never would have happened. People in most cultures laboured every day of their lives (barring of course special events and occasional holidays). This included he Romans, who largely saw taking the Sabbath off as laziness to be condemned. For example, Tacitus, in his Histories, Book 5, section 4 describes such rests as arising because the Hebrews were “led by the charms of indolence”.

But we see workers getting a mandatory weekend quite early in Christianity once it finally got the political power to make such laws. For example, in the 500’s, the Council of Auxerre decreed that “no man should be suffered to…do any manner of work upon the Sunday”, as you can read here: http://media.sabda.org/alkitab-8/LIBRARY/HEY_HOSB.PDF

Modern science and industry come from Christendom, and Christendom from Christ.
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>>16555405
>about the Second Law of Thermodynamics, isn't it contradictory to the idea that goodness is increasing?

The second law of thermodynamics is probably inevitable in any closed system whatsoever since the only alternative seems to be something that could generate energy out of nothing, and only an omnipotent being could do that, and there can only be one of those

>It seems that the universe is getting more chaotic and goodness is decreasing, no?

The total amount of potential usable energy in the universe is constantly going down, but that doesn't mean that other variables (like goodness) can't be increasing as that happens.

However you are absolutely correct that the universe as a whole is winding down. This is to get rid of evil. Evil is something that, if allowed to grow, would ultimately make it impossible for good to grow, like a weed choking out crops. As such, destroying evil is a necessity to ensure the growth of good.

Scripture makes it clear that decay and death came into the world because evil did. Romans 5:12 for instance states that "sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin".

Things cannot be destroyed in a world without destruction, so once evil came, the initial state of permanence and indestructibility in Eden would have needed to end. All things are now gradually decaying and winding down to destruction, ensuring that evil is inevitably destroyed. Given enough time, current processes ensure thorough destruction: every star in the sky will go out and every bond in every molecule will break. Scripture is well aware of this: as it says in Isaiah 51:6 that just like clothes eventually wear out, so too will the heavens and the Earth.


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>>16555977
>That seems like incredibly strange reasoning to me. Like if I got you a new Bugatti and you started thanking yourself for it since you're the one who pumps the gas into it.
>A human does the vast vast minority of the work for anything. If they make you something, they just arranged matter that God made (spending a few thousand calories at most in comparison to the untold billions of calories of energy present in matter). They did it using energy that ultimately comes from the sun that God gifted them and the ground God made for them. Breathing air that God designed from plants that He invented.
I say that the universe gaven by God is not as good as a Bugatti should represent in the metaphor, and to increase its goodness we need mostly human work.
I'm not talking about work to create the universe, to make it a better place, to increase the goodness in it. You said that God always does the minimum for that and humans do all the rest of the job. I agree that God has more credit for creating the universe than we do, I'm just saying this isn't the case for increasing goodness.
>weekends
I'm confused now, shouldn't God face infinite regression when trying to do a good that isn't the minimum possible? Bit anyway, let's consider them. They're surely important, but what about world peace, protection from diseases, suicide, martyrdom etc? God just ignored these? Because as far as I understood, we humans are the ones responsible to solving these other problems.
>>16556198
>The second law of thermodynamics is probably inevitable in any closed system whatsoever since the only alternative seems to be something that could generate energy out of nothing, and only an omnipotent being could do that, and there can only be one of those
Right, so why wouldn't God generate energy out of nothing to prevent things like cancers?
(1/2)

Why don't you Chuds think the covid vaccines were the mark of the beast?

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What's a Vahaduo model I can use to model my ancient ancestors?
t. sperm donor child
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>>16555403
Id say run it on Single not Distance, using the "modern population average scaled" sheet on Source. That what I did.
But I still dont know how to adjust it to get consistent results. You get slightly different results every time you run it. Nothing too drastic though.

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>>16555578
Fpbp
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>>16555578
>>16555619
>>16555785
Ancient results, not sure what any of it means.
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>>16555578
>>16555619
>>16555785
>>16556919
Modern. I played with some settings but I have no idea what its telling me.
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>>16556935
Looks like youre British/French/German/Spanish mutt of some kind. Generic white American.


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